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Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 12:35

Post by mapper » Wed, 11th Oct 2017, 12:35pm

Post by mapper by mapper Oct 2017 11 12:35

We had our annual fire extinguisher checks. Some units out of date so replace. OK £350.

Oh and all your fire signage needs to be replaced. They're all stickers and you need hard plastic! Really? So we went through a compliance audit from the fire department five months ago, an audit by our insurers four months ago neither of which made any recommendation whatsoever that fire break point signs/ action signs / directional arrows etc should be in hard plastic.

Has anyone heard of a change that requires stickers to be replaced with hard plastic?

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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 13:21

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Post by btrousers by btrousers Oct 2017 11 13:21

just had the fire r/a done, no mention of replacing self adhesive fire signs.

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Oct 2017 11 13:52

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Post by UnderPaid by UnderPaid Oct 2017 11 13:52

And let me guess, they offered to supply you with all the new signage? The problem is they are not just test engineers anymore they have to be salesmen as well.
I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people.... I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort it self out.

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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 14:16

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Post by adonis by adonis Oct 2017 11 14:16

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we had a fire door audit (long story) all the guy was interested in was undercutting our current contractor for fire fighting checks, adding more extinguishers, emergency lighting checks, fire alarm checks and yes exit signs but no mention of hard plastic ones just additional ones lol
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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 14:42

Post by Andrew » Wed, 11th Oct 2017, 2:42pm

Post by Andrew by Andrew Oct 2017 11 14:42

I had this sometime ago with a extinguisher firm, just trying to sell me this, that and the other, really got on my (censored) so in the end got rid. Think that a lot of these operatives are on commition as well.
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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 14:54

Post by JohnE875 » Wed, 11th Oct 2017, 2:54pm

Post by JohnE875 by JohnE875 Oct 2017 11 14:54

My last fire RA about 9 months ago, the chap told me I needed a couple of extra signs but did not try and sell anything as he was from the LA and he told me not to bother with the hard plastic if I can get away with sticky back signs because of the cost.
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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 16:07

Post by mapper » Wed, 11th Oct 2017, 4:07pm

Post by mapper by mapper Oct 2017 11 16:07

Thanks for the responses. Does rather feel like a sales pitch. I phoned the fire officer that did our audit
He said the regulations are basically written as best practice and you design your system based on risk. The layout and symbols of course meet a standard but there is no hard or fast 'it must be in plastic, luminescent, 28carot gold with a diamond trim! You risk assess the most appropriate material for the situation.

If we're out in 90 seconds, and were not blasting an arc welder next to our signs they can be made out crepe paper as long as the symbols are to standard.

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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 16:38

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Post by Bigbear69 by Bigbear69 Oct 2017 11 16:38

Even though our fire extinguisher checking company are good they still say about our signs and he writes up a separate sheet for signage recommendations quoting British Standards. As somebody said they have to try to sell you more. The standard is for the pictogram, the words and the arrows not what the sign is made of.

Our Health & Safety adviser (professional) has said there is no problem buying them from Amazon etc or making your own as long as they are all the same standard and type. I have made a lot for my school using this website which is free to use, and then just print and laminate.

http://www.online-sign.com

There are certain points where a more robust sign is required due to human traffic.

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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 16:45

Post by EBJ » Wed, 11th Oct 2017, 4:45pm

Post by EBJ by EBJ Oct 2017 11 16:45

The fire service engineer guy tried that one on with me, all my signs were made in school and laminated except for a few self adhesive ones like the green fire exit on doors. My argument was "WHY" he said "As they will melt in the heat and you cannot read them", again my bold "well if the heat is that intense then me or any one else would not be within 100 miles of these signs would we ?".

And i do not know of any compliance as to the signs manufacture except the pictorial and colour must comply and i am sure its a bonus for them to sell you what you do not need, he also tried to sell me the plastic floor stands that hold the fire extinguishers, "Wont these melt though in a fire ?" i inquired and just got one of them looks you wake up at 4am when it final hits home.

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Re: Fire signage

Oct 2017 11 18:44

Post by Drone » Wed, 11th Oct 2017, 6:44pm

Post by Drone by Drone Oct 2017 11 18:44

I was unable to find any reference on the HSE site to material to be used. Lots of other guidance in terms of text & pictograms. But the key phrase seems to be that the signs "should be fixed securely & should be large enough to be seen"

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