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Warning, the dreaded 'M' word.

Sep 2017 20 18:27

Post by madleee » Wed, 20th Sep 2017, 6:27pm

Post by madleee by madleee Sep 2017 20 18:27

MINIBUS!

I have been given control of the the two minibuses.

I have been asked to carry out weekly checks.

I looked at the log file and all there is is a mileage and use record with a basic Minibus RA in the back.
These buses have been with the school for 2.5 years and covered 1800 miles at most!

I'm looking for a weekly log sheet and a booking out and return form with a damage map.

Does anyone have one I can 'borrow' or can you direct me to a good source of info.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Warning, the dreaded 'M' word.

Sep 2017 20 22:24

Post by thecaretaker » Wed, 20th Sep 2017, 10:24pm

Post by thecaretaker by thecaretaker Sep 2017 20 22:24

I wish you better luck than I trying to get teachers to complete vehicle checks before they set off. I produced a check list for them to complete to protect myself. The driver is responsible for the condition of the vehicle. So if there is a bulb failed, tyre flat, mirror broken or empty washer bottle and the police stopped them, it is there responsibility and they pays any fines.

All you can do is basic maintenance like checking the oil, checking the tyres. Make sure the school provides you the equipment necessary to check them like air supply and battery charger/jump leads.

The usual trick is to return the minibus with only fumes left in the tank. The times I had to take a can to the petrol station to fill up with some diesel to get it moving again. [Angry.png]

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Sep 2017 21 07:55

Post by steph » Thu, 21st Sep 2017, 7:55am

Post by steph by steph Sep 2017 21 07:55

I can't help you right now, but my dad is a car dealer and has car collection forms. If one of those would help I could get a scan of it later. It has a picture of a car on it but you could probably find a bus outline and cover it over. Might be a bit more in depth than you need.

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Re: Warning, the dreaded 'M' word.

Sep 2017 21 08:58

Post by craigus » Thu, 21st Sep 2017, 8:58am

Post by craigus by craigus Sep 2017 21 08:58

I too, do weekly checks, but it is on tick sheet.
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Sep 2017 21 11:49

Post by bigbird » Thu, 21st Sep 2017, 11:49am

Post by bigbird by bigbird Sep 2017 21 11:49

Spot on thecaretaker!

I too, have two mini-buses on site.

But I’m not responsible for any of them or the mileage, the drivers are and the college. I do take them for their six week A service (by law, to the council depot) to check the seat belts and the condition of the vehicle. You are not allowed to do this check, it must be done off site and recorded/filed in the office.

If you are dealing with PE teachers, the form must be in pictures or they won’t understand it!

Also, if you get flashed by a camera for anything or break any highway code. You are putting your passengers at risk and could be dismissed from your school by the local authority for reckless driving.

None of my staff will drive the vehicles, because of the reasons above.

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Sep 2017 21 11:54

Post by bigbird » Thu, 21st Sep 2017, 11:54am

Post by bigbird by bigbird Sep 2017 21 11:54

Oh, by the way this is my one and it's on the staff Intranet. So they can't say "we didn't see it"

Minibus Conditions of Use

This form will enable you to understand your legal obligations and responsibilities in brief to students and staff using the college’s minibus. All passengers have the right to be transported in a safe manner, and in a minibus suitable for their needs.

Anyone who drives or operates a minibus to carry passengers has a duty to take all reasonable precautions to ensure that it is operated safely. It is an offence to cause or permit a minibus to be driven on the road when its condition, or the way in which it is driven, could cause danger to anyone in the minibus or to other road users.

1. Management of the Minibus
Many accidents could be avoided if drivers are properly trained and fit to drive, trips are properly planned, second drivers and/or escorts are provided.

It is recommended that the following records be kept:

• Full details of all drivers (name, age, driving licence details, road traffic offences, points on licence, action taken)
• Detailed training information (covering assessment, training, complaints, action and retraining) details of medical checks and subsequent history (if any) and action taken.
• Accident/incident reports (plus action taken)
• Journey register for long trips (detailing journey origin and destination, start and finish times and mileages) encase of an accident.

2. Reduce the risks by having –

• Seat belts should be worn as tightly as possible and lap belts should go over the tops of the thighs and NEVER the stomach.
• Driver or escorts should check to see how child passengers are wearing their belts before setting off on the journey.
• Only one person must use each seat and each individual must have a seat belt. It is dangerous, and illegal, for a seat belt to be worn by more than one person at a time.
• Whichever way you carry your luggage, it must be securely stored and evenly distributed. Loose objects can kill or cause serious injury in the event of sudden braking or in a crash. If it is to be carried inside the vehicle make certain there is adequate safe space in which to contain it. Luggage must NEVER be left lying unrestrained on the floor of the vehicle.
• Never overload a minibus. Most minibuses are designed on the basis of 65Kg per passenger. Heavier weights may mean that the gross weight or axle loads are exceeded and that the vehicle is likely to handle badly and be potentially unsafe in use.

3. Emergency

• The fire extinguisher is fitted at the front, on the floor and near the driver.
• The first aid box is in the glove box in the front dashboard on the left hand side.
• This vehicle is covered by the AA break down service, they will take you and your passengers to any location that you wish and deal with the vehicle. If you break down the AA No. is 0800 374 457, tell them it is fleet cover and the number is M 0000 00000 BGH and is covered for home-recovery-onward travel.
• Make a list of all names and addresses of persons on the vehicle and any medical details that may be needed in the case of an accident on long journeys.




4. The Driver
The college is responsible for ensuring everyone who drives a minibus for the college or any other group is suitable to do so. *By law, minibus drivers must –

• *Hold a valid, full driving licence for private cars (Category B = D1 or Group A or B on old style licence);
• *Be at least 21 years of age.
• *Be insured to drive the vehicle in question.
• *New drivers, passing their car test after 1.1.97 and obtaining category B entitlement, are only able to drive a vehicle with up to nine seats, including that of the driver. To drive a minibus with 9-16 passenger seats, new drivers will need to meet higher medical standards and gain a category D1 entitlement. Volunteer drivers are currently exempt from this requirement.
• *Must be medically fit to drive a minibus (e.g. not taking medication or undergoing any treatment)
• Must fully understand their responsibilities and be able to demonstrate it.
• Should only drive for limited periods to avoid the potential for falling asleep at the wheel.
• Should be accompanied by a second driver on long journeys.
• Should always be accompanied by an escort where passengers’ needs require it.
• Drivers should not be expected to supervise during their break times.
• Before every journey, the driver should conduct a pre-drive safety check which covers both safety features found outside the vehicle and the interior of the vehicle.
• Details of all passengers must be carried at all times, in case of emergencies or accidents etc,.

Always consider –

• The number of hours worked already and the activities undertaken – e.g. full day’s teaching.
• How much responsibility there will be, other than driving, such as the care and supervision.
• Drivers who drive for more than 2 hours a day after a full day’s work are significantly more likely to be involved in a collision.

Do not try to start the vehicle in gear, you will blow the fuse to the battery

5. The Passengers

• Drivers cannot safely drive and supervise up to 16 students at the same time on long journeys.
• Escorts are recommended, especially on long journeys and preferably, someone they know.
• Consideration should always be given to the safety of the passengers waiting for the minibus to arrive and during the time when they are boarding and leaving the minibus at pick-up and drop-off places. Always identify a safe pick-up point and ensure adequate supervision is provided before the vehicle arrives. Students should never be left alone at a drop-off point if parents/carers have not arrived to collect them.

I agree with the above conditions and know my full responsibilities involved in driving a minibus.

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Re: Warning, the dreaded 'M' word.

Sep 2017 21 12:34

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Post by discsaw by discsaw Sep 2017 21 12:34

don`t know you should have published your account number for the AA Bigbird. Probably be ok as we are quite an honest bunch here. [JawDropped.png]

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Sep 2017 21 12:39

Post by bigbird » Thu, 21st Sep 2017, 12:39pm

Post by bigbird by bigbird Sep 2017 21 12:39

Don't worry about that, you can use the account and I'll have your bus when it arrives here. [Cry.png]
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Mar 2018 12 19:55

Post by TptConsultant » Mon, 12th Mar 2018, 7:55pm

Post by TptConsultant by TptConsultant Mar 2018 12 19:55

bigbird wrote:
Thu, 21st Sep 2017, 11:54am
4. The Driver
The college is responsible for ensuring everyone who drives a minibus for the college or any other group is suitable to do so. *By law, minibus drivers must –

• *Hold a valid, full driving licence for private cars (Category B = D1 or Group A or B on old style licence);
• *Be at least 21 years of age.
• *Be insured to drive the vehicle in question.
• *New drivers, passing their car test after 1.1.97 and obtaining category B entitlement, are only able to drive a vehicle with up to nine seats, including that of the driver. To drive a minibus with 9-16 passenger seats, new drivers will need to meet higher medical standards and gain a category D1 entitlement. Volunteer drivers are currently exempt from this requirement.
• *Must be medically fit to drive a minibus (e.g. not taking medication or undergoing any treatment)
• Must fully understand their responsibilities and be able to demonstrate it.
• Should only drive for limited periods to avoid the potential for falling asleep at the wheel.
• Should be accompanied by a second driver on long journeys.
• Should always be accompanied by an escort where passengers’ needs require it.
• Drivers should not be expected to supervise during their break times.
• Before every journey, the driver should conduct a pre-drive safety check which covers both safety features found outside the vehicle and the interior of the vehicle.
• Details of all passengers must be carried at all times, in case of emergencies or accidents etc,.
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"Volunteer drivers are currently exempt from this requirement."

This is wrong. A car licence holder cannot drive a 17 seat minibus, volunteer or not.

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Mar 2018 13 07:09

Post by Eddy » Tue, 13th Mar 2018, 7:09am

Post by Eddy by Eddy Mar 2018 13 07:09

TptConsultant wrote:
Mon, 12th Mar 2018, 7:55pm
bigbird wrote:
Thu, 21st Sep 2017, 11:54am
4. The Driver
The college is responsible for ensuring everyone who drives a minibus for the college or any other group is suitable to do so. *By law, minibus drivers must –

• *Hold a valid, full driving licence for private cars (Category B = D1 or Group A or B on old style licence);
• *Be at least 21 years of age.
• *Be insured to drive the vehicle in question.
• *New drivers, passing their car test after 1.1.97 and obtaining category B entitlement, are only able to drive a vehicle with up to nine seats, including that of the driver. To drive a minibus with 9-16 passenger seats, new drivers will need to meet higher medical standards and gain a category D1 entitlement. Volunteer drivers are currently exempt from this requirement.
• *Must be medically fit to drive a minibus (e.g. not taking medication or undergoing any treatment)
• Must fully understand their responsibilities and be able to demonstrate it.
• Should only drive for limited periods to avoid the potential for falling asleep at the wheel.
• Should be accompanied by a second driver on long journeys.
• Should always be accompanied by an escort where passengers’ needs require it.
• Drivers should not be expected to supervise during their break times.
• Before every journey, the driver should conduct a pre-drive safety check which covers both safety features found outside the vehicle and the interior of the vehicle.
• Details of all passengers must be carried at all times, in case of emergencies or accidents etc,.
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"Volunteer drivers are currently exempt from this requirement."

This is wrong. A car licence holder cannot drive a 17 seat minibus, volunteer or not.
Only true for older buses over a certain weight, though can't remember the threshold.
Our 17 seat minibus comes under the weight requirement for the D1 requirement. Any driver over 21 can drive our minibus on a standard license.
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